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and hasn't given us spiecifics, lets be fair. >> mitt romney is the defense lawyer in the courtroom, he's going to say the prosecution, president obama, hasn't made his case, his record isn't enough for re-election and i'll not give all the details of what i'll do, what a romney presidency would mean, make your choice based on the president, that's your plan? >> what is the plan is that the public will have plenty of detail and information to make a judgment on governor romney and what his plan is for the future. but let's look at what the president is saying as well. you're right, the president has had four years to lay this out and now a campaign. and the president just trying to run out the clock. he desperately wants to run out the clock with platitudes which sound nice and i give him that. the president is very good at that. but in the end, i think that both sides have to look at this campaign and say, what are we going to lay out over the next 36 days and that's i think what's really important. and i think governor romney will lay out some very important points over the next 36 da
to visit the actual scene of the crime due to security concerns. secretary of defense leon panetta yesterday said there was no doubt terrorists were responsible. >> as we determined the details of what took place there and how that attack took place that it became clear that there were terrorists who had planned that attack. and that's when i came to that conclusion as, again, as to who was involved, what specific groups were involved, i think the investigation that is on going. >> the romney campaign ramped up its criticism of the president's response to those attacks claiming the administration overstated the influence of an anti-islam youtube film in order to draw folk us away from security short falls. and the man behind the anti-islam film which sparked protests throughout the muslim world is under arrest this morning in california. 55-year-old is arrested. he is accused of violating his probation. as part of a probation deal, he was barred from using computers on the internet without special permission. a term he is now suspected of breaking. a federal judge denied him bail c
to the department of defense, quote, we are committed to working together to help forge a balanced bipartisan deficit reduction package to avoid damage to our national security, important domestic priorities, and our economy. joining us now from manchester, new hampshire one of the gang's members, democratic senator j n jeanne shaheen. great to have you on the program. >> mice to be with you. i would say, alex, it's not a new gang of six, i think but it does reflect a number of different groups that have been meeting and talking in the senate about the need to address sequestration, and i was part of the six of us who signed that letter in talking about what we could do to try and reassure the public, to reassure the markets, that we understand we've got to address this problem and we've got to do it in a way that provides certainty for businesses, for consumers, so that we have a long-term solution. >> senator, i want to get your thoughts, it is, i think, laudable that this is a bipartisan gang, as other gangs have been. four of the gang members, for lack of a better term, voted for the bud
will focus on local issues hitting the president on defense cuts. it's clear the 47% issue is a drag on romney's campaign. he went out of his way at every stop yesterday to show a more compassionate side. >> i've been across this country. i think the president cares about the people of america. i care about the people in america but i know how to help the people of america. with he have people that are hurting. we have people that are disabled and people who are poor. they need our help and receive our help. we're a charitable people. >> when asked how he can understand the problems of the middle class given his personal wealth, he tauted his massachusetts health care overhaul. >> don't forget i got everybody in my state insured. 100% of the kids in our state have health insurance. i don't think anything shows more empathy and care about the people of our state than that kind of record. >> the question was not about health care. romney went from the interview to a toledo rally where he then slammed the president's health care law. >> obama care is exhibit number one of the president'
in the campaign in a defensive posture, which is problematic. >> mark, is that the reason that the conversation was avoided? we heard so many times that governor romney would describe bain and his role there and the value of that company. we know it's private equities. we know how that game works, at least to some degree. none of us are wall street men and women in the conversation, but we know the realities of private equity. is this tape or some of the vision for bain capital the very reason we didn't hear him solidly defend that record because his vision was to harvest the profits of some of these companies they went in? >> well, i don't think we really know the reality, because we haven't had the longer discussion. we have a perception about them very shorthanded as mitt romney was doing in that tape. he was shorthanding what parlt of their business objective is. as part of that business objective, they saved weak companies. by saving weak companies, those companies didn't go out of business. they did, in fact, save lots of jobs that probably would have -- that would have been lost because
job losses were coming if congress and the president go through with the defense cuts called sequestration. >> the impact will be immediate and significant here in virginia. 136,000 jobs will be lost in virginia as a result of this move. >> and though romney wanted to focus on defense cuts, he couldn't avoid questions on the 47% comment. he was forced to defend himself in a series of local television interviews. >> is there a clarification you would offer to voters about what you meant? >> my campaign is about 100% of americans. my whole effort in running for president is to help those people that are struggling the most. this campaign and frankly my presidency if i become president is about helping people in the middle class have a better chance of making ends meet. >> of course, the president is hammering romney on the 47% remark. he is on the air with the third ad on the comment and it is brutal. it is the second time the president put out an ad narrated by romney. the first was america the beautiful ad. look at the new one. >> 47% of the people will vote for the president
of the defense sequester that somehow is protected it's not pro tented as you were pointed out last night. >> there is -- i sort of felt like because the romney campaign has been so absent on issues of natural security, substantive issues of national security beyond just name calling i feel like the campaign should be encouraged now that they have tried to talk about veterans issues. there are huge issues with the disability claims but also other elements of the v.a.'s performance in terms of this current generation of veterans and older generations of vets and romney in trying to go there, in virginia this week, showed he didn't even understand the issue he was trying to make political hay out of. the problem of suicides among veterans and says a solution is he won't cut military spending in the sequester. you know, i don't think he knows what the relationship of the v.a. funding is to the sequester. i'm not sure he knows that paul ryan voted for that sequester or that at this point wars are the way you make new veterans if he's threatening new wars in iran and syria the way he's been so
about that? >> they did put out a spokesman in defense of ambassador -- statement in defense of ambassador susan rice yesterday. it stems from a couple of sundays ago. she was on some of the sunday shows, including "meet the press" where she gave that explanation that this protest in benghazi started off as a protest against an american installation there, about that anti-islam video that denigrated the prophet mohammed and then spontaneo spontaneously turned into something more and may have included elements of more organized elements. and that's something that republicans say that susan rice intentionally lied about, the spokesman saying last night from the white house, the administration has -- thinks that susan rice has done an extraordinary job. it was not her personal opinion that she was putting forth on those sunday shows. >> all right. mike viqueira. thank you very much for that. important story this morning. >>> to front page politics new this morning, mitt romney says he's looking forward to the upcoming presidential debates, first one's on wednesday. >> i think it
. this is mitt's first time on this kind of a stage. >> flashpoint libya, the white house on the defensive after reports of both security and intelligence nurse in benghazi before that terror attack. >> standing up, sitting down. >> which ever one you like. >> there you go. >> do whatever they tell us. >> the white house line is you heard the president say, osama bin laden is dead, al qaeda is done, everything is fine in the middle east. this, obviously, contradicts -- ther series of events contradicts that campaign slogan. so, the fact is, that this was clearly an act of terror committed by people who were pretty well trained jihadists. >> more carnage in afghanistan. the taliban take responsibility for a suicide attack that killed 14 today including three americans. we are deployed in the hot spots today with lester holt live in afghanistan and ann curry on the syrian border. >>> good day. i'm andrea mitchell live in washington, days away from thes first presidential debate in denver where mitt romney and barack obama will be trying to reach a shrinking pool of undecided voters. joining me for
smith, an 18-yard strike. the past decade the ravens had one of the best defenses in the league and here is why. kerry williams picked off weedon, 65 yards the other way, baltimore went on to win it. >>> the players have been locked out for 13 days in the nhl and yesterday the league canceled the preseason. the two sides meet today in new york. >>> baseball, rangers play-off bound, beat oakland to clinch the al west. a home run and three rbis. they won it 9-7. then you have the white sox in the middle of a late september collapse. evan longoria and the rays won it 3-2. the sox dropped 8 of 9. chicago's loss is detroit's game. doug fister made american league history, struck out nine straight. tigers held on to win it 5-4. >>> and finally, the mets r.a. dickie picked up the 20th win of the year. everybody is talking about travis snyder. a shot deep to ride. snyder tracked it down. scaled the fence like spiderman and made the grab. cool, calm and collected. snyder hauled it in. that is not only the catch of the day, that is the catch of the year. that's your "first look" at sports. have a
issues, attacking the president on sequestration, the looming defense budget cuts effectively linking defense and national security to the economy which has been his primary message. the campaign has been flooding reporters with numbers and he mentioned them today, suggesting that sequestration cuts would effectively have an impact on 168,000 jobs, costing 168,000 jobs in the state. he said 136,000, 68,000 among small businesses specifically. and he was here with people in this critical battleground who he said have been to battle before. these are people in the military community, a lot of veterans here at american legion hall where he was speaking that he hopes will support his message of american strength through strength and not through weakness militarily. >> i have been a little puzzled by the campaign's posture on this because it was a republican and democratic agreement, the automatic triggers for these automatic cuts from sequestration if they didn't agree to a budget deal, and they didn't agree to a budget deal so this was something that the president and john boehner agreed
the president on the defensive about the last four years. he's got to adopt a tone, which is aggressive but at the same time respectful of the president, appropriately aggressive. you know, he's going to make sure he stays in economic issues and something he knows something about. the problem with romney's record is, he's taken almost every side of every issue in american politics. and if he has to be -- if he's made accountable for it, i think people will figure out very quickly th quickly, this guy has one for everyone in the politics. >> wes, national review reports on a plan to retool romney for debates. romney advisers have simply -- have a simple strategy. they want their candidate to balance his finely tuned arguments with personal warmth. he can retool it and can someone who's come off kind of aloof come off warm and fuzzy? >> i think gov more romnernor r trying to square away in his own head. when people can get a real gauge as to who you are and where you stand on things. and i think governor romney, this is also coming off the heels of two different things, this debate. one,
a 5 trilli$5 trillion. -- another $2 trillion in defense spending. >> just three days into the first presidential debate, meanwhile mitt romney is off to the trail. we have two reports, we begin with nbc's peter alexander, he's with the romney campaign in boston, with a good morning to you, peter. what are you hearing about all the debate preps today. he o'clock najs that this is an important opportunity in her debate. people have a tendency to focus on the small things, like the color of a candidate's tie or the dramatic one liners, which is his need to get across the big picture message. he says if he does that, he thinks he can be effective over the course of the next three debates and ultimately win this thing. we heard this morning from governor chris christie of new jersey, i want to play you another clip from new jersey this morning. chris christ >> and so they're going start tuning in on wednesday night and when they do, governor romney's going to lay out his vision for a better and greater america and better opportunity for all of our citizens, and i think that's when you're
faced off under the monday night lights except the cowboys' offense was no match for chicago's defense. dallas quarterback tony romo threw five interceptions. two were returned for touchdowns. first in the second quarter on a pass intended for dez bryant, look at him go. that's picked by charles tillman and returned for six. and again in the third, just after dallas forced a chicago fumble. romo gives the ball right back to lance briggs who returns it 74 yards for the touchdown. bears won it 34-18. >>> on to baseball. the yankees crushed the red sox 10-2 last night. four yankee homers including a two-run bomb by returning first baseman mark teixeira. it capped off a nine-run second inning. and with an orioles' loss to the rays, the yanks took a one-game lead in the a.l. east. a lot of happy people here today. >>> in kansas city, detroit's miguel cabrera had four hits including a homer during a five-run sixth inning to help the tigers beat the royals 6-3 and claim the a.l. central title. >>> and finally, it's always time for champagne. despite losing to the phillies last night, the nati
on the campaign and frafrmgly the obama campaign has been on the defensive about it which is why when obama is in ohio today he's going to make the amount about ohio. he filed trade complaints with the world trade organization. he'll also argue that romney profited from companies while he was at bain capital. he's saying it's a margin of error race. in other words, that'd code for romney's behind and that's why they're making comments like this one. >> the question was if we lose ohio, could we still win. say if and buts were candy and nuts, every day would be christmas. >> make no mistakes. ohio, big problem for romney. >>> speaking of the two candidates, while they're both in ohio today, yesterday obama and romney rivalled the muppets and tried to take manhattan. they jammed as much as they could during competing visits to the big apple, a whirlwind day of media appearances. it was hard to miss them either physically in new york or on the tv. >> i'm just supposed to be eye candy here for you guys. >> the two traded few actual barbs. instead they did more subtle contrasts on the serious is
in defense cuts that his running mate paul ryan voted for, he implied that would hurt suicide prevention programs for veterans even though the v.a. would be exempt from that, so i'm not sure he even understood what it was he was talking about. but at least he tried. at least veterans got a mention from him. even if it didn't make sense in policy terms. you do know that defense and veterans are two different -- at some point it should be possible with 40 days left to say veterans have to be more than just an applause line. right? you don't just get to use them for a photo op like the decommissioned battleship you used as a backdrop when you introduced paul ryan inexplicably in front of a battleship, another time when you didn't mention the war. even if you're not willing to talk about the war we are in that you would be taking over, veterans are not a hypothetical construct. the way they're treated is not an esoteric consequence of how we feel about them as a nation or how much military spending we have which is how mitt romney described it today. 40 days out from the election with the is
it in those swing states. and that's because mitt romney played defense a lot of the first half of this year. whether it was in the primaries or in may, when the primary was finally over, and the obama campaign really started to hit him hard on his bain record. there hasn't an opening or an effective way for him to articulate a vision to turning the economy around. and it shows in the poll numbers. >> lynn, if governor romney can't hang this economy over the president's neck in the next three or four weeks, is there a chance he can beat him? >> of course there is one big blooper from obama, and the mistake may certainly change the trajectory of the campaign. but garrett made a very good point. i want to quickly build on another reason why obama might have dealt with housing today. he's doing his debate prep in a suburb of las vegas. where is he now that it's hard hit? so, again, this is another reason -- a reason he's camped out there, deliberately, so to try to bolster his support in nevada. and again, i think he's just prophylactically building a community around himself, dealing with hous
in and not look scared or defensive. he has to be cool and calm and confident and own the space. that is the most important thing for him. if he looks skiddish. those optics will be the most devastating thing for him. you would think would be about the pressure would be on the incumbent to defend the last four years in office. but in this debate, it is clear that 100% is on how does mitt romney handle the 47% question? >> i agree with crystal to put in other terms the undecided voters are sitting with their back toward the stage. the voice and he has to be strong and have an answer. the problem he has is which every way he turns he loses a piece of the argument. ro romney is going to lose a piece where he turns. one that he has used before, is to say look, i care about the 100%. look at what i did in massachusetts with romney care. if he give that is answer, he loses the strength of the argument. but i think he has no choice. i think he has to say that like the president, when the president in 2008 was overheard at a fundraiser talking about people clinging to funs and religion that people shorth
.t. and the only difference was the color of our skin. the defense of marriage act signed by president clinton is also facing numerous challengeses. the law states the federal government will only recognize traditional marriages, meaning no federal benefits even where same-sex marriage is legal. >> same-sex couples are denied hundreds of different rights and benefits that are provided to married different sex couples under federal law. >> reporter: on the docket as well, whether to curtail parts of the historic voting rights act of 1965. it mandates federal oversight for states with a history of voting discrimination, when changing any rules for elections. challengers say the law is outdated and unnecessary. a big lineup of cases that could change the landscape of civil rights in america. fr frances coe, nbc news. >>> and now here's a look at some other stories making news early today in america. in maine, a group of strangers spring into action when an elderly woman drove her car into the portland harbor. the band of good samaritans pulled the 84-year-old out of her car moments before it sank
that they believe they can put the obama campaign back on the defensive. i agree with joe. it's surprising that they are putting this forward and it has to be because in doing so they are now forcing the media to ask those questions. you know, to fact check president obama, to write these stories about how romney's going to call him a liar, which then sort of deluge into something that takes over. right now romney doesn't have any card to play. the last thing they can do is make americans believe that when barack obama talks about the successes of the last four years, that he is simply lying. >> well, don't say that he has any more cards because there may be more tapes on obama at the rate he's going. joe madison, alicia menendez, thank you for your time tonight. >> thanks, rev. >>> ahead, he's been in hiding from the romney campaign but when they told george w. bush to go away, they probably didn't mean go toll the cayman islands for an investment conference. >>> and hundreds and thousands voting today in iowa. it's a big day for this election. stay with us. >> this is the movement of our
. >> senator scott brown on defense trying to back up his manufactured native american controversy. brown and democratic opponent elizabeth warren just finished their second debate for brown's senate seat. it was front and center in the debate. but brown also had a tough time standing by mitt romney's economic plan. >> you support governor romney for president, i assume. >> as i said, when it comes to dealing with the economic issues, absolutely. but we're two different people. >> you would be a reliable ally when it came to his economic plan? on his economic plan, you said >> i would also like to read the bills. a lot of people don't read the bills down there. >> meanwhile, a new set of polls show this race is close. polling from mass i think has it close. 18% of massachusetts voters are still undecided. and that means senator brown's seat is still up for grabs. for more on this tonight, let's turn to felix arroyo. you were at the first debate and of course, at this one again tonight. watched this debate. did either candidate gain any ground in your upon? how did it come out tonight? >>
here? >> well, you know, i think the president, in his defense, very hard working person, he was on the phones to mohamed morsi after our embassy was attacked in cairo two weeks ago, working, of course, also on the phone to prime minister netanyahu the night before that, so the president's engaged and leading the united states in the world. the symbolism is important as you are inferg and would have been been better if the president would have been able to have a few bilateral meetings with the top leaders, leaders of the middle east in crisis, but there's no question that he's on top of his game and he's had a very successful run at foreign policy over the last three and a half years and it's interesting, andrea, to see that foreign policy has made a real comeback, right in the heart of this political campaign right now, everything from the middle east crises to the iran problem with israel and with us, and, of course, china as a scapegoat for both candidates really, and i think it's important that we continue this discussion of foreign policy as the debates approach over th
the use of violence. and yesterday, joel, president obama offered this robust defense of freedom of speech as a pre-eminent right in our country but meanwhile while this speech comes together is there a conflict between those two visions? >> thank you, thomas, for having me. there's really not a conflict. in a sense, president obama and netanyahu bracketing the speeches today of ahmadinejad and morsi and we witness something fascinating which is that morsi shown that egypt is now taking a more aggressive leadership role in the middle east while iran has become more isolated, is on the ropes and ahmadinejad is season almost as a past, a clowny-type figure but this discussion of freedom of speech, of how to deal with violence against embassies, it's the president speaking with morsi about this and calmed down the situation in cairo so i think it's a dialogue to see more of and doesn't seem to be a clash not workable. >> all right. so jim, as joel said, egypt wanting to take more of a leadership role here and iran astro sized than ever before and talking about syria, world leader after world
mode. he was put on the defensive over the 47% remark, so he's got to go out and illustrate all these new examples of empathy and compassion, even if that contradicts what he said last week. he's gotten in trouble because he didn't mention veterans during his acceptance speech at the convention. okay. well, now they're going to throw on a veterans event and give a speech to the veterans about, you know, isn't it terrible that 23 million people looking for work and, in fact, he's given it to a rather well-heeled crowd in the second wealthiest county in the nation. >> so, dana, does that kind of reactivity give you any confidence that such a mind could be in a position such as commander in chief of the nation. >> well, he laid out a case today about when he is commander in chief, he is going to spend an extra trillion dollars on dfers and yet he's also going to cut taxes and yet also going to reduce the debt. so i believe that if he can do that, then it will be worth us watching. >> you know -- >> go ahead, karen. >> you mention these ads -- that the president is running the ads i
is going to be swinging and obama is going to be on defense. he doesn't want to screw up. >> we'll leave the word with buzz feed ben. follow this show on twitt twitter @nowwithalex for news and updates you're not going to get anywhere else. check out alex wagner on twitter. thank, jeff, joan, nicolas and ben. that is all for us. alex wagner will be back monday, noon eastern, 9:00 pacific joined by john heilemann, "the huffington post's" ryan grim and "rolling stone's" eric baits. find all of us and show clips at facebook.com/now with alex. "andrea mitchell reports" is next. >> thanks so much. coming up next my interview with senator john kerry who has strong words for the romney campaign's claim to be debate underdogs. and for their criticism of president obama's relationship with israel. also joining me is israel's ambassador michael orrin, congressman keith ellison and rachel maddow. up next. ♪ something to me ♪ that nobody else could do [ male announcer ] you start your day... love you, too. ...thinking about what's important to you -- your family... ...the mortgage... the kids' c
a defense attorney say to you when you're putting a bad guy in prison, you're not being ladylike there? you just did your job. this is not a hard one to decide and you're qualified to be a senator and proved this guy is not qualified for any position. thank you, claire mccaskill for joining us. an honor to have you on as always. >>> up next, stephen colbert tackles the latest desperate cry from the right that the polls showing president obama leading and mitt romney behind are unfair. well, we just had the fox poll that says obama is ahead by five. this is "hardball," the place for politics. [ female announcer ] they can be enlightening. hey, bro. or engaging. conversations help us learn and grow. at wells fargo, we believe you can never underestimate the power of a conversation. it's this exchange of ideas that helps you move ahead with confidence. so when the conversation turns to your financial goals... turn to us. if you need anything else, let me know. [ female announcer ] wells fargo. together we'll go far. scroll... tap... pinch... and zoom... in your car. introducing the all-new cad
. >> did you ever have a defense attorney say to you when you're putting a bad guy in prison, you're not being ladylike there? you just did your job. this is not a hard one to decide and you're qualified to be a senator and proved this guy is not qualified for any position. thank you, claire mccaskill for joining us. an honor to have you on as always. >>> up next, stephen colbert tackles the latest desperate cry from the right that the polls showing president obama leading and mitt romney behind are unfair. well, we just had the fox poll that says obama is ahead by five. this is "hardball," the place for politics. ♪ you do ♪ something to me ♪ that nobody else could do stop! stop! stop! come back here! humans -- we are beautifully imperfect creatures living in an imperfect world. that's why liberty mutual insurance has your back with great ideas like our optional better car replacement. if your car is totaled, we give you the money to buy one a model year newer. call... and ask one of our insurance experts about it today. hello?! we believe our customers do their best out the
this case by case. what we expect from this time they are assembled. >> first of all, the defense of marriage act. this was signed by president clinton and for the purposes of federal law, marriage is only between a man and a woman. that enmoos federal government won't recognize same-sex marriages even in the states where that's legal. that's unusual because states usually define what is a valid marriage. several lower federal courts have said that's unconstitutional discrimination. and the supreme court will probably take this case. i say probably. it's not on the docket yet. but whenever the lower courts strike down an act of congress, the supreme court considers its job to step in and take this case. i think we would hear about that. probably the monday after thanksgiving. that's when we'll find out if they're going to take those cases. the other question is whether they will hear the challenge to california's proposition 8. that is also before the supreme court. not clear whether they would hear that. they may take the cases and decide to punt on prop 8. >> if they do that, ag
they can to win. >> i guess, though, you know, in defense of a two-party system, i just think -- someone in the republican party has to look at this and say this is not a strategy for our party. >> the thing that scares me the most dealing with katrina's point is that you're not even hearing loud moderate republican voices saying wait a minute, putting all this aside, let's deal with the fact that we represent democratic principles all over the world and we're suppressing votes at home. when we started with nation network tour and started the rallies and marches a man told me in orlando, florida, he says, i'm 85, i cannot drive, i don't need a driver's license, that's why i don't have photo i.d. i'm not going anywhere so i don't need a passport, 27 miles to get i.d. and i don't have the money when i get there because of fixed income. that's why we started calling it a poll tax. 2012, people can't afford to get i.d. to go vote. that should be an outrage. in the days before my time, less known your time -- >> we're just babies around you. >> thank you. >> that's why i come on, to get my wa
what holding is. >> pass interference on the defense number 22. why don't they just let the man catch the ball? am i right? >> okay. i do not yet have a ruling on the field but i do have this. all right. what do you think? >> good morning. it's 8:00 a.m. on the east coast. 5:00 a.m. on the west coast as you take a live look at new york city. back with us on set in new york, we've got steve ratner, andrea mitchell. we have a lot to talk about. let's start quickly with the refs. we have some breaking news and i got to tell you, little kate is excited. 9 years old. she plays in the soccer league. and the parents have had to ref over the past couple weeks because those guys have gone to play nfl. it's taken care of now. >> that's great news. >> it happened late last night. the nfl and referees union announced they have reached a tentative agreement that will end the lockout and bring the original, the regular officiating crews starting tonight. the deal good through the 2019 season features increase in average salary for officials. they'll go up to 205,000 a year by 2019. all kinds of thi
defense keeps it close and then he finds a way to work his magic near the end. you have to give that a try. that's not why they brought him in. i think they're going to stick with sanchez stubbornly longer than they should. >> this is why lou holtz is so right, when you have two quarterbacks, you have no quarterbacks. the thing is the quarterback's going to have a bad game. you've got to stick with that quarterback, ride the quarterback through the season. and then trade him at the end of the season. you know, sanchez, i don't know if it's good or bad, but every time he threw a pass, he was looking over at tebow. and it distracts you. >> i don't think that's what he was looking at. >> they've got 12 more games. if they ride him out through 12 more games, they could be in trouble. >> they could be in a position to get geno smith or matt barkley. >> they just trade him. >> so let's talk about the saints/packers. packers get jobbed on "monday night football," almost get jobbed again yesterday at home against the saints. >> it was going to be a riot. darren sproles fumbled the ball. the ball w
're not in complete denial. but you do hear a lot of defensiveness from the romney camp, a lot of sort of see no evil, refusal to admit that things are actually as bad as they are, a lot of sort of from the audiences at these events as well, the romney supporters you hear a lot of blaming the media for the condition that he's in. and you know, it really seems like unless they are more willing to admit the hole they're in they're going to have trouble getting out of it. >> i'd like to know what they are saying in private. do you have any intel on that? or is it still private? >> well, just that they can see what's happening. they know that it's not all roses and sunshine. they don't really believe that they are secretly winning and there's actually been some kind of conspiracy to cover it up. >> susan, we have mitt romney who's down there in the state of north carolina where there's a 9.7% unemployment. he's down in nevada where there's a 12.1% jobless rate. would you think this is where the misery index would be the highest? and with mr. romney still being behind, do you deduce that something's wrong
and out every possession. the president is playing preevent defense but people like charles krauthammer are frustrated because they don't see a reaction to being behind in some sort of change. be angry. be a fighter. go big. whatever it is. they have to do something different i think in the expectation of the conservative press or people are going to start turning on them. >> yeah. joe, the debates, is that one area where he actually might do well? >> i think he'll do well in the debates. he is a very good debater. the president's own people will say, and they're not spinning, that the president's not that great in debates. he lost the majority of the debates to hillary clinton back in 2008. he is not good at boiling things down to sound bites and delivering a punch line. but sam stein, there is, though, a real concern among conservatives. you know, two weeks ago when i started, the huffington post picked up my comments. >> as always. >> early on. at that point i said oh, my god it's getting late. >> yeah. >> it's getting late. then "the wall street journal", peggy noonan and others fol
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